Why Great Leaders Surround Themselves with Disagreement

Episode 117

Ron Macklin and Deb Dendy explore the surprising leadership strategy that top performers use to grow: surrounding themselves with disagreement.

Episode Summary

Ron Macklin and Deb Dendy explore the surprising leadership strategy that top performers use to grow: surrounding themselves with disagreement. Learn how building a “challenge network” can elevate your leadership development, transform company culture, and drive better decisions—both personally and professionally. If you’ve ever felt stuck in an echo chamber, this conversation will challenge your thinking and show you how real growth starts with discomfort.

Who in your life is willing to tell you you're wrong?

Not argue with you for the sake of arguing. Not criticize from the sidelines. But care enough about you—and feel safe enough with you—to challenge what you're thinking.

In this episode, Ron Macklin and Deb Dendy explore the idea of a challenge network: a group of people you trust precisely because they won't always agree with you.

For leaders, that's harder to build than it sounds.

The more authority you have, the easier it becomes to surround yourself with agreement. People learn your preferences. They notice what gets a good reaction and what doesn't. Eventually, they may begin editing themselves before they ever get to you.

The result can feel like alignment.

It may actually be an echo chamber.

Who Challenges You?

Ron and Deb explore why some of the people who contribute most to our growth aren't the ones who confirm what we already believe. They're the ones willing to offer another perspective, ask the uncomfortable question, or say, "I don't see it that way."

That kind of relationship requires more than honesty.

It requires trust.

If disagreement carries a cost, people eventually stop disagreeing. But when people know they can challenge an idea without threatening the relationship, something different becomes possible: curiosity replaces defensiveness, and the conversation becomes a place to discover rather than defend.

Can You Stay Curious When Someone Disagrees?

It's easy to say you want honest feedback.

It's harder when the feedback challenges something you believe deeply.

Ron and Deb talk about what it takes to stay in the conversation—to listen without immediately defending, explaining, or trying to prove the other person wrong.

Because having people around you who disagree isn't enough.

You also have to become someone they are willing to disagree with.

That's where the real leadership work begins.

What Could Someone Else See That You Can't?

None of us can see our own thinking completely.

We have assumptions we don't recognize as assumptions. Stories we've repeated so many times they feel like facts. Ways of interpreting situations that seem obvious to us because they're ours.

Other people can see what we can't.

Ron shares how collaboration and challenge have helped him discover possibilities he might never have reached alone—and why learning alongside people who think differently can produce something much more valuable than simply being right.

Building a Challenge Network

A challenge network doesn't have to be formal.

It starts with relationships where disagreement isn't treated as disloyalty.

People who ask questions.

People who see things differently.

People willing to tell you what they're actually thinking.

And perhaps most importantly, people who trust that you won't make them pay for doing it.

Ron and Deb also explore how this kind of practice shows up inside MacklinConnection's Arena—a space where people can test ideas, share experiences, question assumptions, and practice being challenged without needing to defend themselves.

Because the goal isn't to surround yourself with people who agree with you.